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hey everybody welcome back I'm super

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pumped about today's show we talked

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about all kinds of cool things not just

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usual UA UFOs and uaps we got into

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bigfoots encrypted and outer body

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experiences and astral projection we

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went down the rabbit hole pretty good

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today uh with a man who's been doing

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this for 35 years and you'd be surprised

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at how legitimate some of these

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experiences are it's not as Fringe as

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you might think so today we're going

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down to Rabbit Hole are you ready Jay oh

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I'm ready to do this let's do this let's

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welcome back to another beautiful

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episode of UAP studies podcast I am

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Louis Borges joining me as always my

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good friend and co-host Jason Gilman hey

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I'm happy to be here today how you doing

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Louie I'm doing really good you liked

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how we say any Sunday morning you wake

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up and you can chat about uaps and

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aliens and paranormal things there's a

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good day so yeah absolutely super yeah

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super excited about our guest today uh

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he is an award-winning author he's a

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mufon field investigator uh Ghost Hunter

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paranormal researcher he's written over

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100 articles in 29 books I mean the

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wealth of information is huge and we're

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really excited to chat with Mr Preston

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Dennis welcome to the show thanks guys

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hi Jason Hi Louie thanks for having me

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on the show I'm excited yeah for sure we

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uh we like to pride ourselves on having

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big name people and reputable people and

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uh you are in fact one of the the bigger

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names as well in the field so we're

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really happy to have you to continue our

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sort of uh discovery of this topic and

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talk to other people who've been doing

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it for a while and have some really

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interesting perspectives so uh but for

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those of our viewers that may not know

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who you are maybe tell us a little bit

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about yourself and what got you into the

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whole world of ufology and where that's

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led to today

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yeah thanks um well I came to this field

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complete Skype dick I really hated UFOs

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uh I didn't like to talk about them I

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just didn't believe I thought people who

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saw UFOs were Liars or on drugs or

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misperceiving

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kind of bought into the old Air Force

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you know Project Blue Book explanations

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for this lies hoaxes hallucinations

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misperceptions swamp gas yeah exactly uh

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that all changed when I was pretty young

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man 21 years old it was 1986.

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I remember the exact date actually it's

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November 17. oh really yeah there was a

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news report about a sighting over Alaska

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you may have heard of the JLA Airline

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sighting yeah Captain kenju tarochi yep

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it's not like a massive round Mothership

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around this plane right right right

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exactly tracked his plane for like an

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hour he requested a course change it

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still followed him with on radar a big

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of course none of that was in the news

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report it was very tongue-in-cheek very

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brief very jokey and kind of a

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almost made fun of the subject yeah

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but it interested me because I

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remembered my brother Mark my older

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brother I have three older brothers

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an older sister and a younger sister and

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uh Mark is unique among them and he came

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into the house one day I saw UFO and we

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all kind of just looked at him and

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rolled her eyes and like you know go

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away shut up I did I should say

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uh found out later my sisters both

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believed in UFOs they've never seen him

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but my other brothers were skeptical but

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Mark said he'd seen one so I approached

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him after seeing this news report I'm

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like Mark tell me about that UFO you saw

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it's like I tried to tell you you didn't

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want to hear about it well tell me now

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yeah and uh he described a really

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incredible sighting do you have it

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basically long story short chased a UFO

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down the street

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Reseda Boulevard in Southern California

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wow and I'm like wow you're kidding it's

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like no no it was a metallic disc it was

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sighting lasts about 20 minutes

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he got very close to it with a couple

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hundred feet oh wow

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yeah and colored lights on it silent

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like Mark you know really like hey if

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you don't believe me talk to Phil talk

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to Greg

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which were his friends who who were with

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him like oh you have other Witnesses

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I kind of thought everyone who saw UFO I

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don't know why he was alone uh turned

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out not to be true

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um so I did call them they just said the

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same thing

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and so then I'm like huh

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this is weird I wonder if anyone else I

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know has seen the UFO so I asked

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everyone

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started asking other people

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found out my sister-in-law the wife of

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my other brother Stephen

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uh I asked her it's like oh yeah I saw

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uh unexplained lights over Van Nuys

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Airport's Reserve Base she described him

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there in a triangular formation hovering

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like really just well if you don't

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believe me ask adley that was her friend

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who I also you know

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so I called him up

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and he described the same thing in more

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detail actually wow that that got the

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ball rolling and boy what a shock to

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find out that I had a couple of friends

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who had very close upsightings one at

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missing time

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and stupid me I bring it up at work

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the lady I you know his desk was right

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next to mine I worked as a you know that

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time data entry and eventually

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bookkeeping but

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she's like oh yeah me and my whole

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family watched this thing for an hour

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like what do you mean she said it was a

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star-like object it would stop it would

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Dart it was moving all over the sky we

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all watched it

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I'm like let me talk to your daughter

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let me talk to her husband wouldn't talk

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to me

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he would just didn't want to talk oh

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yeah that's fine but the daughter did

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she's like well I also had figures

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entering into my bedroom like figures

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and by this point I picked up a few

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books and she described Gray's

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talked about how she'd been taken on

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board of craft

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she didn't really realize that she just

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described you know a small rounded room

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what did these guys look like she says

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honestly I can't really give you a great

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description because I didn't want to

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look at them but she said they had large

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heads dark eyes pale skin

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your typical Grays right

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found out my other sister-in-law or

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actually the same one who had a sighting

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had seen Grays as well she told me like

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a year later she's like well you might

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be interested no I saw this like why

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didn't you tell me

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yeah so that was kind of my introduction

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and that made me buy every darn look I

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could find I was going to disprove them

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I'm like it's swamp gas you guys you

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know it is

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of course it wasn't it was not swamp gas

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found out a good quarter of the people I

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knew had had really dramatic encounters

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I joined mufon became a field

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investigator started going to all the

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groups and subscribed to every UFO

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and I just I'm still trying to get over

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it honestly 35 years later I'm like what

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is going on yeah you know you could try

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somebody and send to jail if you have

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two witnesses right

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and the amount of witnesses and people

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experiences that are in the world should

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give the indication that this is a legit

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thing that's actually happening

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and the stigma like you explained

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especially in the 80s when you know you

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started all of this the stigma was

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really out there like you could not talk

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about UFOs people would laugh at you so

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it's amazing that you started your

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career in the midst of one of the most

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difficult times to talk about UFOs

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yeah I got a lot of eye rolling Snickers

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you know some people were very skeptical

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and I eventually did start going on the

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radio and stuff they'd bring on

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debunkers and on TV occasionally right

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uh and it was definitely different than

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it is today and would you say that you

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were more of a somebody who wanted to

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debunk this and you became

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somebody who now investigates it and

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believes in what's happening or are you

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still uh like on the more investigative

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um skeptical I would say I won't I

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wouldn't say I was debunking but finding

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out that this stuff was real

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just almost collapsed my belief system

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in a way right because I was so sure

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they weren't and I was very

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scientifically minded I you know I know

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from astronomy how far away the stars

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but you know there's just no way and if

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ETS were real they wouldn't look like us

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look like the blob or something these

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were all just false assumptions uh and I

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really had to just step back and be very

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objective

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and uh let the facts speak for

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themselves so I became

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much more interested in really getting

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at the truth and not and throwing away

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my prior beliefs and

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because uh this wasn't taught in schools

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and people you know there was a cover-up

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I couldn't believe that my tax dollars

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were being used to cover up information

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and that's demonstrable that wasn't

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speculation this is easily provable

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right in a weird way it did make me more

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of things and I really question people

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deeply when they're a report an

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encounter there's all kinds of ways of

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course you can vet a witness

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but you know their emotional reaction

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other little details that certainly

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weren't well known back then about what

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ETS look like and how they act and the

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interior of a UFO and so forth right but

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100 obsessed

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you should see the number of books I

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have on this subject I've filled up a

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room with them were you uh from the

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onset a believer in the abduction

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phenomenon or did you think that that

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was some sort of psychological thing

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that the people talking to you about it

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um I wanted to believe that but it was

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pretty clear from the beginning that

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that wasn't the case right because I

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mean even back then there was stories

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about implants and uh

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some of the people I interviewed were

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missing you know their family was

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searching for them when they were having

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their encounter they weren't in their

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uh so it was clear to me this wasn't

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psychological pretty much from the

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beginning

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and there's lots of cases involving I

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guess we determine physiological

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evidence medical evidence one of the

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first ladies I interviewed was a very

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extensive contactee

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and she had been healed of assist

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and I'm like wow really she said yeah

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she had a

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she was diagnosed with a cyst nerve

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Fallopian tubes causing all kinds of

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pain and bleeding and real problems

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she had the MRIs which showed up that it

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was there and was going to have it

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removed and the day before surgery

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literally that night she was visited

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and she didn't really remember what

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happened but she suspected that you know

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it had to do with this cyst and I went

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to the doctor the next day and they took

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the pre-op Imaging

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and couldn't find her cyst

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and they said listen you've had surgery

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which hospital did you go to she's like

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what are you talking about knowing you

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know and she they said well your

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sister's gone it's not there and we know

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you had surgery because there's fluid

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here that's present only after someone

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has surgery

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and she denied it and said well you know

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what are these little laser marks on

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your abdomen

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or what looked like that

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and uh she's just like I don't know she

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played dumb

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uh so uh that was one of the first cases

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I researched she ended up actually

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showing me a UFO she called it Bound for

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me oh wow yeah it was crazy I was

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actually transcribing her interview

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and she described how Grace came around

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her bed and woke her up scared The

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Living Daylights out of her and she

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jumps out of bed and kicks one in the

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neck

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I don't know I think I may have killed

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it

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no no I don't know you know but I can

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tell you it scared the living Delights

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out of me

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and I'd heard a few cases like that you

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know like Travis Walton he reached out

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and punched one of these guys yeah

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all right right so when she said that

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I'm like huh and I I did a whole

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interview with her and I recorded it and

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this was in 1994 about maybe 93.

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I was in my condo in Canoga Park third

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story right

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I'm transcribing the interview because I

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record all the interview interviews I do

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with people

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and uh I got to that part where she's

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describing this incident I remember I'm

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leaning back to my children is this lady

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for real I know she believes it and

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she's obviously sincere she was very

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emotional when she described all this

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stuff

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I'm leaning back in my chair thinking

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Hmm I'm not sure if I can wrap my head

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around this when I got an overpowering

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Impulse to run under the roof of the

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condo

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and before I even knew it I was doing

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that I grabbed my glasses which I use

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for driving pretty much exclusively I'm

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slightly near nearsighted

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and I grounded the roof of the condo

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you're not allowed up there by the way

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but uh I went up there anyway and I

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thought what am I doing you know why am

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I up here and I wasn't up there more

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than 30 seconds probably closer to 10

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seconds

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when a UFO appeared honest to God right

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across the street

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this is a densely populated area but my

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condo overlooked the LA River there

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and right across the street was some

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apartment buildings and palm trees and

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there was this huge orange yellow light

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kind of oval

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and I can't tell you precisely how big

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it was but it was big you know 10 feet

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across maybe a little more

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right above the palm trees

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and it blasted me with this message

379
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that's a you know it's us we're Wendy's

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et's that's not her real name she

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doesn't want but that was and it wasn't

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word so much but the message was clear

383
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it's like the task look you don't

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believe watch this right and this darn

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thing starts darting back and forth

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fast

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and it's totally silent it's close

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enough where there's just no chance of

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misperception

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and uh it went for about 30 seconds 20

391
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getting lower and lower until it was

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actually behind the palm trees so I knew

393
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this thing was maybe 50 feet up in the

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air tops right and disappeared

395
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and I'm like oh my God and I called her

396
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the next day because it was quite late

397
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I'm like you're not gonna believe it

398
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your ETS showed up and told me gave me

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this message

400
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which was so weird for me because I'd

401
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heard people talk about you know

402
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telepathic messages

403
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you know I'd never experienced anything

404
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like that

405
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and uh it was very clear

406
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sometimes I'm like oh my God this

407
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happened she's like I told you I was

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telling the truth I'm like yeah I know I

409
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mean I just I'm sorry not that I didn't

410
00:16:08,509 --> 00:16:06,540
believe you it's just a lot

411
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so it's kind of scary because I mean

412
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they're obviously paying attention to

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who she's talking to if they're trying

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to convince you or or convinced you that

415
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hey it's actually us so that means that

416
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they're watching that they're paying

417
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attention right that's kind of freaky

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freaks me out I can tell it yeah I told

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and I told her I'm like you know I'd

420
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really like to have another she's like

421
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well I'm going to telepath contact with

422
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them all the time I'm like well can you

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call them down and she's like well maybe

424
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I'm like let I want to see them and she

425
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says well you just saw them I'm like but

426
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I wasn't ready you know I didn't have a

427
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camera I wasn't expecting it

428
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he's like well I'll see what I can do

429
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and she calls me up a few days later

430
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she's like okay they've agreed to come

431
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down for you

432
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I really because I've done this with

433
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other Witnesses and I'd interviewed a

434
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lot of people by this point

435
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and uh and they said oh yeah I can bring

436
00:17:00,710 --> 00:16:58,320
one and they don't you know it doesn't

437
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,720
come you're out there for an hour or two

438
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:02,399
and nothing happens

439
00:17:08,809 --> 00:17:06,480
so I'm like okay let's do this and she's

440
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like okay and we went off I took my

441
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sister-in-law who does a lot of the art

442
00:17:16,189 --> 00:17:12,360
for my books

443
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:16,199
and my nephew her son and Wendy all four

444
00:17:20,510 --> 00:17:17,280
of us

445
00:17:23,090 --> 00:17:20,520
went off the 210 Freeway in Pasadena

446
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uh late one night it was just a week or

447
00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:24,540
two later

448
00:17:28,130 --> 00:17:26,400
and we climb up this little we parked on

449
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the freeway I'm like oh we're really not

450
00:17:32,030 --> 00:17:30,059
supposed to do this she's like well this

451
00:17:34,370 --> 00:17:32,040
is where they said they would come

452
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I went to this hill with a dirt fire

453
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brick going up to the top

454
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and we climbed up to the top me and

455
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Wendy got ahead of Christy and James

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um you know my sister-in-law and nephew

457
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uh we had just reached the top and Wendy

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grabs my shoulders she's screaming like

459
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oh look and Spins me around and there's

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right

461
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50 feet away

462
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is this huge object well

463
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a spear a glowing sphere

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that was covered with scintillating

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Golden Lights was really pretty and this

466
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thing was

467
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about as big as a house a small house a

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large room

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hovering maybe 20 feet off the ground 50

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feet away totally silent

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all right I mean oh I don't even know

472
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how to describe it it was huge

473
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I'm just sitting there and we're like

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jumping up and down I could not take my

475
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eyes off of it so I completely ignored

476
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the camera around my neck

477
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uh and just watch this thing with her

478
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and it stayed there for a few seconds

479
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you know 10 maybe

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and then started moving very slowly and

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then zipped around the mountain

482
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and it must have been a thousand miles

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per hour

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because within one second was a couple

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of miles away but see it's a tiny little

486
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Dot and then off it went

487
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yeah they tend to do that

488
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yeah that was really cool though so that

489
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was one of my best sightings

490
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of all the different uh phenomenon that

491
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you've like researched and written about

492
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do you have a favorite or is there

493
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anything that you find you know like

494
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what is your favorite area because

495
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there's so many things encompassed with

496
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it especially now it's not just nuts and

497
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bolts UFOs it's Cryptids and orbs and

498
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you know Poltergeist and you know the

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deeper you go down the rabbit hole the

500
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more obscure this is becoming so of all

501
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the things in this field like what are

502
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some of your favorite either Concepts or

503
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just you know what what is your brain

504
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chewing on right now with 35 years into

505
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this

506
00:19:42,049 --> 00:19:40,020
all of it yeah you're you're so right

507
00:19:44,510 --> 00:19:42,059
there's layers and layers to this and

508
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very early on people started reporting

509
00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:46,740
well I had a near-death experience or

510
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you know my house is haunted

511
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we had a good family friend who claimed

512
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to have levitated as a child

513
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oh Mary you're kidding me he's like no

514
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no I flew I flew No One Believes Me

515
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and so I realized early on that there

516
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was a lot of stuff going on that sent to

517
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some degree it's connected to all of

518
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this

519
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and at the same time as I started

520
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researching UFOs

521
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I started to experience a lot of stuff

522
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myself

523
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because I wasn't enough for me to just

524
00:20:23,810 --> 00:20:22,140
interview people or read about it like

525
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hey if you're singing UFO I want to see

526
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one

527
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so I was out in the fields looking for

528
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them and I did I saw them

529
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and if someone reported ghosts I'm like

530
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I'm coming over I want to experience

531
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this and I did I was able to start to

532
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experience a wide variety of stuff

533
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uh and at some point Bigfoot reared its

534
00:20:46,789 --> 00:20:44,400
ugly head added voided researching

535
00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:46,799
Bigfoot for a while on six I thought it

536
00:20:51,350 --> 00:20:48,840
might be real and I didn't really want

537
00:20:53,690 --> 00:20:51,360
to open up up that can of worms

538
00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:53,700
uh but when I got my first Bigfoot case

539
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,520
I'm like fine fine let's look into

540
00:20:59,870 --> 00:20:59,039
Bigfoot and found out of course that was

541
00:21:02,750 --> 00:20:59,880
real

542
00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:02,760
so yeah I researched all aspects of the

543
00:21:08,510 --> 00:21:05,160
Paranormal I think probably my favorite

544
00:21:11,230 --> 00:21:08,520
is out of body experiences

545
00:21:15,650 --> 00:21:11,240
because that was something you could

546
00:21:16,730 --> 00:21:15,660
research subjectively personally

547
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,740
um you know I read a book by Robert

548
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,240
Monroe

549
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:20,880
uh who's the really famous Auto Body guy

550
00:21:25,970 --> 00:21:23,520
it was called Journeys out of the body

551
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:25,980
and fire Journeys and then the ultimate

552
00:21:30,649 --> 00:21:28,799
Journey he wrote three books

553
00:21:32,270 --> 00:21:30,659
um in his first book he gave exercises

554
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:32,280
on how to do it

555
00:21:35,330 --> 00:21:33,840
and by this point you know my

556
00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:35,340
sister-in-law had described her out of

557
00:21:39,169 --> 00:21:37,320
body experience and

558
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:39,179
a couple of other people I'm like wow

559
00:21:42,409 --> 00:21:40,080
hmm

560
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:42,419
this is something I can try

561
00:21:48,529 --> 00:21:45,840
and I did the exercises and it worked

562
00:21:49,850 --> 00:21:48,539
I ended up writing a whole book about my

563
00:21:51,470 --> 00:21:49,860
own experiences

564
00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:51,480
with it because

565
00:21:55,010 --> 00:21:53,340
after I had one I'm like well I want to

566
00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:55,020
do that again

567
00:22:01,549 --> 00:21:58,620
and I did it didn't fix you out

568
00:22:05,210 --> 00:22:01,559
oh yeah sure did

569
00:22:07,010 --> 00:22:05,220
it was really very cool though I mean it

570
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,020
was a little scary at first

571
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,880
there was a couple of experiments that

572
00:22:12,409 --> 00:22:10,799
were just really and I thought I died

573
00:22:14,210 --> 00:22:12,419
honestly

574
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:14,220
yeah and we'll talk about that because a

575
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:15,360
lot of people think of these as

576
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,940
near-death experiences where you have

577
00:22:21,890 --> 00:22:20,159
something out or body happen but the two

578
00:22:24,590 --> 00:22:21,900
can be separate like you don't have to

579
00:22:26,330 --> 00:22:24,600
almost die or you know drown for 40

580
00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:26,340
seconds have an outer body experience

581
00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:28,980
and then get brought back like so like

582
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:31,860
what from what you know what is an

583
00:22:36,289 --> 00:22:34,799
actual outer body or this phenomenon

584
00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:36,299
that happens with near-death experiences

585
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,760
like what is it is it a conscious realm

586
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:40,799
is are you actually detaching physically

587
00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:43,440
from your flesh like maybe elaborate a

588
00:22:46,850 --> 00:22:44,700
little bit on that for those of us I

589
00:22:49,310 --> 00:22:46,860
mean I'm super into it and I'd like to

590
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,320
do more so I'm genuinely asking like

591
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:51,840
tell me about outer body experiences

592
00:22:57,049 --> 00:22:54,720
Yeah by that point I had read uh Raymond

593
00:22:57,950 --> 00:22:57,059
Moody's books on near-death experiences

594
00:22:59,930 --> 00:22:57,960
and

595
00:23:01,610 --> 00:22:59,940
loved them so I bought every book on

596
00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:01,620
near death experiences I could find and

597
00:23:06,590 --> 00:23:03,419
was interviewing people

598
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,600
and also all the actual travel books the

599
00:23:11,330 --> 00:23:08,880
auto body books yeah and they are

600
00:23:13,130 --> 00:23:11,340
essentially the same thing the only

601
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:13,140
difference is the near-death experiences

602
00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:14,760
forced

603
00:23:21,409 --> 00:23:17,580
and follows a very set pattern

604
00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:21,419
and is caused by trauma whereas the

605
00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:24,780
out-of-body experience can is sort of an

606
00:23:29,390 --> 00:23:26,340
intentional

607
00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:29,400
event that you can Foster and cultivate

608
00:23:34,970 --> 00:23:32,220
and do yourself through meditation

609
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,980
and is more open-ended so you can

610
00:23:38,750 --> 00:23:36,840
because in the near-death experiences

611
00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:38,760
usually people will reach a border and

612
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:41,100
they're not allowed into the higher

613
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:43,620
Realms and they're forced back

614
00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:45,720
uh whereas with out of body experiences

615
00:23:50,350 --> 00:23:48,360
it's completely up to you how far you

616
00:23:53,630 --> 00:23:50,360
want to take it

617
00:23:56,090 --> 00:23:53,640
for me the first experience I had was

618
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:56,100
just lying down and I'd been doing the

619
00:24:01,730 --> 00:23:57,960
exercises which are basically just

620
00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:01,740
relaxation and visualization type things

621
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:03,720
and you're supposed to read what reach

622
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,000
What's called the vibratory state

623
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:08,820
which you know when your body starts to

624
00:24:13,789 --> 00:24:11,600
vibrate intensely yeah your third eye

625
00:24:16,490 --> 00:24:13,799
your pineal gland

626
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,500
yeah and uh Robert Monroe described it

627
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:18,720
as oh it's a mild electric shock

628
00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:21,240
and when I did it I thought I was being

629
00:24:25,310 --> 00:24:23,820
electrocuted I thought I'd stuck my

630
00:24:28,010 --> 00:24:25,320
finger in the light socket next to my

631
00:24:29,870 --> 00:24:28,020
bed I was rationalizing I'm like what's

632
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:29,880
happening to me oh my God

633
00:24:34,669 --> 00:24:32,520
hi because my my whole body was shaking

634
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:34,679
like you know a rattlesnake

635
00:24:38,570 --> 00:24:37,260
and when it was loud and very physical

636
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,580
feeling

637
00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:40,559
and then Pop I popped right out and I'm

638
00:24:44,990 --> 00:24:43,080
floating across my room out of control

639
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:45,000
right across the hallway and into the

640
00:24:48,409 --> 00:24:46,140
bathroom

641
00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:48,419
in a kind of oriented myself and I

642
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:50,039
looked in the mirror I'm like oh my God

643
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:51,600
I'm out of body

644
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,320
if this is real there's life after death

645
00:25:01,250 --> 00:24:57,600
all at once you just know I mean all it

646
00:25:03,470 --> 00:25:01,260
takes is one real Obe

647
00:25:05,390 --> 00:25:03,480
and you know I got pulled right back

648
00:25:06,409 --> 00:25:05,400
into my body did it again the next

649
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:06,419
weekend

650
00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:09,000
the third time I did thought I had died

651
00:25:13,850 --> 00:25:12,299
that cop I woke up already out of body

652
00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:13,860
and looked down on my bed and I saw

653
00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:16,860
myself lying there oh I'm dead

654
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:19,860
this is horrifying I dived right back in

655
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:22,380
and I woke up I'm like Oh yay I did it

656
00:25:26,990 --> 00:25:23,220
again

657
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,000
so and uh so I really buckled down

658
00:25:31,970 --> 00:25:29,820
and did the exercises and started having

659
00:25:33,890 --> 00:25:31,980
them pretty much every weekend

660
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:33,900
but I just try to pop out and be like

661
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:37,919
yeah I'm out right back in so it took me

662
00:25:42,590 --> 00:25:40,740
a year to basically just calm down see

663
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:42,600
if you can stay out more than a three

664
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:43,620
seconds

665
00:25:48,289 --> 00:25:46,200
honestly it took me a full year of that

666
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:48,299
and I extended it to a minute and then

667
00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:50,580
two minutes and then 15.

668
00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:54,059
and got really good at it could walk

669
00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:56,340
through walls and visit places in the

670
00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:58,740
neighborhood and other people and

671
00:26:03,789 --> 00:26:01,140
extended that more and more and at some

672
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:03,799
point got my mom who had passed away

673
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:07,500
some years earlier up here and pulled me

674
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,059
over to the other side

675
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:12,000
and give me a tour of what I guess I

676
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,220
would call the Heavenly Realms I'm not

677
00:26:19,250 --> 00:26:18,000
religious really at all right but it's a

678
00:26:21,169 --> 00:26:19,260
good way of describing it because

679
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:21,179
they're beautiful beautiful there very

680
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:23,340
pastoral and everything's glowing and

681
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,980
sparkling with light and love and our

682
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:28,080
people and trees and Gardens and flowers

683
00:26:32,029 --> 00:26:29,700
and Brooks and

684
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:32,039
it's great so that that's how it all

685
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:33,179
began

686
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:36,480
and since then I've had all kinds oh and

687
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,700
it's amazing the stuff you can do right

688
00:26:42,049 --> 00:26:41,039
you learn about past lives visit healing

689
00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:42,059
temples

690
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,000
go to the akashic library talk to

691
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:47,279
enlightened beings enlightened Masters

692
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:49,080
that sort of thing

693
00:26:54,169 --> 00:26:52,860
visit all your deceased loved ones it's

694
00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:54,179
wild

695
00:26:59,570 --> 00:26:57,900
I mean I can't recommend it enough was

696
00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:59,580
there a silver cord because I keep

697
00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:01,080
hearing about the silver cord that's

698
00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:03,299
attached to your body to your

699
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:05,220
um you know Soul or Consciousness which

700
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:07,260
are out of the body did you see that at

701
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:08,340
all

702
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:15,120
people always had like a spirit guide

703
00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:16,380
with them I'm like well what the heck

704
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:18,659
I'm alone out here where's my spirit

705
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,500
guide

706
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:21,360
and I did eventually you know meet up

707
00:27:25,490 --> 00:27:23,400
with some of them and I'm like well how

708
00:27:27,049 --> 00:27:25,500
come I'm not seeing the silver card

709
00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:27,059
and I'm started looking back through the

710
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:28,440
books like well look behind you look

711
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,520
behind you

712
00:27:33,710 --> 00:27:31,679
and uh I would and I wouldn't see it

713
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,720
until one day I did

714
00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:35,520
I woke up I'm like oh I'm out about it

715
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:37,380
again I'm pulling above my bed and what

716
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:38,880
what is this that's all wrapped around

717
00:27:44,510 --> 00:27:41,640
me was a fire hose and I'm looking at it

718
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:44,520
I'm holding I'm like this is weird

719
00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:46,860
and then Dawn at me like oh this is the

720
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,120
cord

721
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:49,919
and later when I got much better at it

722
00:27:54,590 --> 00:27:52,140
because that was early right I'm very

723
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,600
it's disorienting and it's a new State

724
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:56,159
of Consciousness which is somewhat

725
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:57,179
delicate

726
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:59,100
it's easy to fall back into a dream or

727
00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:00,480
just forget

728
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:02,940
but after I got better at it I woke up

729
00:28:08,750 --> 00:28:06,000
one day all right I was able to just go

730
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,760
out of body you kind of Deuce it right

731
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:10,320
and I popped out and I'm wandering

732
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:11,700
around in my living room and I'm like oh

733
00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:14,580
let's see if I can find my silver cord I

734
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:15,480
did

735
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:18,900
and it was coming out of what my uh

736
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:20,820
abdomen at that point comes out of

737
00:28:24,409 --> 00:28:22,260
different places sometimes your head or

738
00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:24,419
your back or wherever

739
00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:27,240
I felt it I'm like oh and I was feeling

740
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:29,640
it and it made up all these tiny little

741
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:31,440
filaments

742
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,380
uh and I'm like wow this is amazing and

743
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:36,480
they're all kind of energetic

744
00:28:43,010 --> 00:28:39,179
yeah the silver card some people see it

745
00:28:44,930 --> 00:28:43,020
some people don't I generally don't wait

746
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:44,940
did all kinds of experiments like

747
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,740
someone asked me are you wearing clothes

748
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:48,000
I'm like you know I never actually

749
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,260
checked

750
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:52,080
and uh I'm like I have to check that out

751
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,120
popped out one day and then like looking

752
00:28:58,190 --> 00:28:55,919
I'm like oh shoot I'm dressed up for

753
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:58,200
work I have shoes with my dress shirt is

754
00:29:01,850 --> 00:28:59,340
on

755
00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:01,860
all right I dress up for my auto body

756
00:29:06,610 --> 00:29:03,779
experiences nice

757
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:09,289
I ended up undressing too because I

758
00:29:15,010 --> 00:29:11,340
wanted to see I'm like oh yeah I'm

759
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,870
oh really so like you can can you see

760
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:19,620
yourself you like your reflection in the

761
00:29:25,310 --> 00:29:23,640
mirror yeah if you want you know you can

762
00:29:27,889 --> 00:29:25,320
do it uh

763
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:27,899
sometimes you can sometimes you can't

764
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:31,679
um but yeah you absolutely can and uh I

765
00:29:34,610 --> 00:29:33,000
used to work out a lot when I was a

766
00:29:36,409 --> 00:29:34,620
young man because I was pretty skinny

767
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:36,419
I'm like I need to build bulk up a

768
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,440
little bit

769
00:29:43,610 --> 00:29:39,600
and when I pop out of body I'm like oof

770
00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:43,620
you should see me oh my God damn I look

771
00:29:47,149 --> 00:29:45,030
good looking good

772
00:29:49,010 --> 00:29:47,159
[Music]

773
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:49,020
viewed a lady last week and she's

774
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,559
basically practicing that qhht Quantum

775
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:54,960
healing hypnosis technique so

776
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:57,240
essentially instead of being like a

777
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,640
meditative master and getting into those

778
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:01,679
Realms and really you know sort of like

779
00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:03,480
the Buddhist monks are trying to do

780
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:05,700
there's a meditative way or no sorry

781
00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:07,380
there's a hypnotic way that you can be

782
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:09,960
induced into that deep trance and have

783
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:12,299
that same past life regression maybe

784
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,700
help deal with traumatic events

785
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:17,039
um UFO Abduction type things people that

786
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:19,320
are kind of fuzzy on the topic but I

787
00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:20,580
thought it was very interesting that

788
00:30:26,029 --> 00:30:23,880
it's so inherently possible that even if

789
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:26,039
you can't get there on your own studies

790
00:30:30,289 --> 00:30:27,899
you could just be put into that state

791
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,299
and still reap the same benefit and I

792
00:30:33,710 --> 00:30:31,679
thought that was very encouraging that

793
00:30:36,350 --> 00:30:33,720
it's not that far out of everybody's

794
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:36,360
grasp it's possible and it's a practice

795
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:38,220
and this is something very attainable

796
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,340
it's not just kind of a weird idea I

797
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:43,679
genuinely believe that we can all access

798
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:46,620
this and improve our lives as a result

799
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:49,380
yeah I mean if you want to see a UFO you

800
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,320
can go out to UFO hotspots wave areas

801
00:30:55,549 --> 00:30:54,000
hanging out with someone who's having

802
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,559
encounters you want to see a ghost there

803
00:31:00,169 --> 00:30:57,840
are places you can go

804
00:31:02,510 --> 00:31:00,179
and uh that's what I like about the auto

805
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:02,520
body thing it's easy access to the

806
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:06,120
Paranormal anyone can do it it's a steep

807
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:07,500
learning curve for some people but

808
00:31:12,350 --> 00:31:10,140
others do it boom first night

809
00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:12,360
I have the Obe

810
00:31:19,070 --> 00:31:15,779
it took me about two months of really a

811
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:19,080
month and a half doing the exercises

812
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:22,260
and it worked and I was thrilled and

813
00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:25,500
yeah seeing a UFO for the first time was

814
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:27,000
amazing

815
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:30,899
I it happened in 92 actually about

816
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:33,600
six years in my research

817
00:31:39,529 --> 00:31:36,840
and uh I was driving home one day after

818
00:31:41,389 --> 00:31:39,539
talking to Mark and Christy who were you

819
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,399
know she's she encountered blue beings

820
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:43,679
when she was a little girl and Mark of

821
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:45,480
course had seen a UFO

822
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:47,100
so they were helping me through this

823
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:50,399
because I was a wreck I

824
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:52,440
just having a hard time adjusting to all

825
00:31:57,289 --> 00:31:55,380
of this a little bit and uh

826
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:57,299
had left their home late one in the

827
00:31:59,810 --> 00:31:58,679
evening I'm like I gotta go you know

828
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,820
I've got to work

829
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:02,340
and was driving the five miles to my

830
00:32:05,330 --> 00:32:03,899
home in Canoga Park they lived in

831
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:05,340
Woodland Hills

832
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,100
it was late at night July 1992 and I

833
00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:11,279
just left their house I was maybe two to

834
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:12,539
three minutes away from their house

835
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,760
coming around this tiny little Street

836
00:32:19,789 --> 00:32:17,039
hairpin corner

837
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:19,799
uh maybe a few miles an hour you know

838
00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:21,720
it's a steep little Hill so you can't

839
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:23,460
really drive fast at all

840
00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:26,760
and I saw this light swooping down

841
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:28,260
towards my car

842
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,020
my first thought was that it's a bird

843
00:32:35,630 --> 00:32:33,360
coming towards me and looking up at I

844
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:35,640
could see it was not a bird it was a

845
00:32:39,529 --> 00:32:36,840
round ball of light and I thought well

846
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:39,539
it's a firecracker It's Late July and

847
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,940
this is just where my mind is going

848
00:32:46,250 --> 00:32:44,640
and uh it comes right down in front of

849
00:32:50,029 --> 00:32:46,260
my windshield I'm like well that's not a

850
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:50,039
firecracker that is an orb and I'm

851
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:52,080
staring at this thing and that's is that

852
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:53,700
a reflection you know this is not a

853
00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:55,980
reflection was it about the size of a

854
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:57,000
golf ball

855
00:33:02,630 --> 00:32:59,340
kind of bright yellow white

856
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:02,640
and very solid looking at me I mean you

857
00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,860
could sense intelligence in this thing

858
00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:07,140
it was behaving intelligent it was a I

859
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:09,299
don't know right there looking at me I

860
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:11,880
put two feet away moved back and forth

861
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,380
in front of my windshield two or three

862
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:16,080
times stops again looking at me I'm like

863
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,960
holy cow and are you driving at this

864
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:19,679
point

865
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:23,519
I'd stopped my car ripping the steering

866
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:24,200
wheel

867
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:26,940
looking at this thing going what is

868
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,380
going on

869
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,720
and this thing dips down it's right over

870
00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:32,159
the hood of my car right

871
00:33:35,810 --> 00:33:34,380
dips down it almost touches the cement

872
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:35,820
and goes straight up

873
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:37,740
and really the last thing I remember is

874
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:39,600
leaning over my windshield and looking

875
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,460
up this thing goes straight up through

876
00:33:45,049 --> 00:33:43,440
the canopy of trees

877
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:45,059
and uh

878
00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:46,679
that's where it got weird I'd always

879
00:33:51,529 --> 00:33:49,320
tell people that's my sighting and some

880
00:33:55,610 --> 00:33:51,539
years later someone said well

881
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:55,620
what happened next I'm like hmm

882
00:34:01,070 --> 00:33:58,799
I don't remember driving home I forgot

883
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:01,080
about the whole darn thing I didn't

884
00:34:05,330 --> 00:34:02,760
remember seeing that

885
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:05,340
for a couple of months

886
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:07,620
and I've interviewed people like oh I

887
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,240
forgot about the UFO that landed in

888
00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,460
front of my car I'm like here how can

889
00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:13,200
you forget about something like that

890
00:34:17,869 --> 00:34:14,760
wait

891
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:17,879
but this is you know missing time it's

892
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,859
that aspect and it happened to me and I

893
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:21,359
get it now

894
00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:23,639
so I think that as soon as I started

895
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:25,080
investigating this stuff they're like oh

896
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,859
here's a guy let's check him out

897
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:30,480
because I started looking it up I'm like

898
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,480
well a lot of researchers who've gotten

899
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,800
into this start investigating it and

900
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:36,480
then it'll investigate you

901
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,020
have yeah I've uh George Knapp said that

902
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:42,240
too about skin walker Ranch you go there

903
00:34:45,649 --> 00:34:44,099
with a nuts and bolts mentality next

904
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:45,659
thing you know it's Cryptids and light

905
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:47,820
orbs and you're getting the hitchhiker

906
00:34:52,010 --> 00:34:49,560
effect taking it home your family's

907
00:34:53,329 --> 00:34:52,020
seeing stuff like blew his mind too and

908
00:34:54,589 --> 00:34:53,339
he's been studying this [\h__\h] for 30

909
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:54,599
years

910
00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:57,839
yeah I think it's cool and I yeah people

911
00:35:00,650 --> 00:34:59,700
there's a lot of fears surrounding the

912
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,660
subject

913
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:02,880
and people are like ah I'm not so sure

914
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:05,220
this is good for us for Humanity

915
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:07,020
and I kind of bought into that initially

916
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:08,520
because I'm like wow people are being

917
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:09,720
kidnapped

918
00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:12,660
because they did not ask for this and

919
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:14,640
they're being physically examined and

920
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:15,960
who are these guys and what are they

921
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,460
doing to us

922
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:20,160
and that pretty quickly realized that

923
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:22,500
the fear surrounding the subject is not

924
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:23,940
warranted

925
00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:26,520
and that they're not trying to hurt us

926
00:35:31,490 --> 00:35:29,339
and when someone sees Grays in their

927
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:31,500
bedroom for example first thing they

928
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:33,660
will say almost always is don't be

929
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:36,720
afraid I have no fear no harm will come

930
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:38,520
to you you know we are not here to hurt

931
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:39,720
you

932
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:41,940
that's the most common phrase people

933
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:43,020
hear

934
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,720
and they still have a strong beer

935
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,280
reaction often

936
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:48,720
but when they're actually taken on board

937
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:50,280
the worst you know the scariest thing

938
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:51,599
that actually happens is they're

939
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:53,160
physically examined

940
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:54,900
some people are bad you know fighting it

941
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:56,220
the whole way

942
00:36:00,589 --> 00:35:58,500
but some aren't and they have really

943
00:36:03,730 --> 00:36:00,599
positive experiences

944
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:03,740
and I think it was Thomas Bullard the

945
00:36:09,230 --> 00:36:06,180
folklorist and UFO researcher who was

946
00:36:10,609 --> 00:36:09,240
the first to statistically study what

947
00:36:13,730 --> 00:36:10,619
happens when people are taken on board

948
00:36:15,470 --> 00:36:13,740
and he outlined it very clearly or

949
00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:15,480
physically examined or taken to the

950
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,680
engine room

951
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,720
they're taken to the control room or the

952
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:21,599
observation deck they're given messages

953
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:24,180
and that's absolutely true this is

954
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:26,520
exactly what I found in my research

955
00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:29,460
and my first book was UFO healings

956
00:36:34,910 --> 00:36:32,280
which was you know basically inspired by

957
00:36:36,589 --> 00:36:34,920
Wendy's experience I'm like huh because

958
00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:36,599
I know of a case of two police officers

959
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:38,460
who were killed one of them had a flesh

960
00:36:43,130 --> 00:36:40,619
wound a little bite from a baby

961
00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:43,140
alligator on his finger and he was

962
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,420
healed by a beam of light there was a

963
00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:47,280
Peruvian Customs official who was struck

964
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,160
by a beam of light that healed him of

965
00:36:55,490 --> 00:36:51,839
nearsightedness and rheumatism

966
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,500
Jacques filet had a case of a doctor a

967
00:37:00,410 --> 00:36:57,300
medical doctor was cured of an ax wound

968
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,420
on his foot and partial paralysis

969
00:37:04,910 --> 00:37:02,400
so I started looking up these cases I'm

970
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:04,920
like oh my gosh every major researcher

971
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:06,839
out there almost without exception has

972
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,460
these cases

973
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:11,280
including David Jacobs and John Mack and

974
00:37:15,950 --> 00:37:13,380
Bud Hopkins

975
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:15,960
you know Philip mantle Michael hesseman

976
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:19,380
he's a fiori Barbara lamb Yvonne Smith I

977
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:21,960
could go on they all have these cases no

978
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:23,880
one was talking about them

979
00:37:29,089 --> 00:37:25,980
I mean it's because fear cells and the

980
00:37:31,790 --> 00:37:29,099
media loves the lurid scary story

981
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:31,800
and uh these accounts were being pushed

982
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:35,280
to The Fringe and not studied not given

983
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:37,440
the attention they deserved

984
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:39,540
and changed the way I feel about this

985
00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:41,160
phenomena

986
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,560
they're not here to hurt us they're so

987
00:37:46,910 --> 00:37:45,240
opposite actually

988
00:37:48,349 --> 00:37:46,920
I know people do have traumatic

989
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:48,359
encounters

990
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:51,000
I'm not going to deny that but I always

991
00:37:55,970 --> 00:37:54,720
ask them what actually happened to you

992
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:55,980
um nobody

993
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:58,260
describes what I would call sadistic

994
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:01,920
Behavior right or et's like I'm going to

995
00:38:04,970 --> 00:38:03,420
hurt you

996
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:04,980
it's just not there

997
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:08,520
uh yeah that is not their agenda at all

998
00:38:15,770 --> 00:38:12,900
well even um Terry Lovelace when uh he

999
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,780
said he was on board of The Craft and uh

1000
00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:17,760
you know the doctor whoever it is the

1001
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:20,460
main examiner that was doing the exam

1002
00:38:25,550 --> 00:38:23,099
uh he was screaming on the table like

1003
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:25,560
crazy and the examiner sort of looked at

1004
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:27,960
him and telepathically told them oh be

1005
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:30,560
quiet you know we always put you back

1006
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:33,240
that's funny right like it's like okay

1007
00:38:37,069 --> 00:38:34,920
well at least their intention is good

1008
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,079
and they bring you back to your at least

1009
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:40,079
close to where they took you so yeah I

1010
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:41,520
don't I don't think there's there's no

1011
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:43,859
malice there's no intent there's no evil

1012
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:46,859
intent behind us it seems to be

1013
00:38:51,290 --> 00:38:49,079
something like they need us or we need

1014
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:51,300
them and they're here to help us or you

1015
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:53,579
know it could be a mix of the two but it

1016
00:38:58,430 --> 00:38:55,619
is a weird experience and the more that

1017
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,440
we uh you know interview people the more

1018
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:01,440
that we sort of grow in our thinking and

1019
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:03,660
expand what we used to

1020
00:39:07,550 --> 00:39:05,880
not really believe in now we're like

1021
00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:07,560
well now we have to look at it right

1022
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,480
because it's being brought up by

1023
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,760
investigators like yourself uh you know

1024
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:13,440
you're mentioning the Bigfoot I'm the

1025
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:15,900
same I was like no Bigfoot doesn't exist

1026
00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:18,060
but the more I talk to other

1027
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:19,800
investigators researchers like

1028
00:39:23,329 --> 00:39:21,060
yourselves

1029
00:39:25,010 --> 00:39:23,339
it seems to be that yeah I should

1030
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:25,020
probably look into the Bigfoot stuff as

1031
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:27,240
well maybe Louie and I can have a we

1032
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,920
live in the Pacific Northwest right

1033
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:31,079
right Bigfoot land here in like the

1034
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:33,660
applications but I believe it's real I

1035
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:36,300
just I struggle with the idea that maybe

1036
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:38,820
it's interdimensional I think it's

1037
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,740
actual Flesh and Blood I think it's a

1038
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:43,200
species I think it's like uh what is it

1039
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:45,540
a gigantopithecus or some actual

1040
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:49,079
classification of giant ape that's maybe

1041
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:50,700
just smart enough to know to stay away

1042
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,260
from us because we're going to shoot you

1043
00:39:56,690 --> 00:39:54,540
we're dangerous right I know but some

1044
00:40:00,670 --> 00:39:56,700
people are saying it's more Cryptid than

1045
00:40:05,690 --> 00:40:04,130
yeah I don't know either because there

1046
00:40:08,329 --> 00:40:05,700
are cases you can March out which do

1047
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,339
have terminal aspects to them yeah my

1048
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:10,079
first Bigfoot case involved a

1049
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,320
radiologist by the name of Robert Murphy

1050
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,660
who had a Bigfoot encounter

1051
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:18,240
the day after a UFO landed in its

1052
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,500
backyard

1053
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:21,359
so there was a he felt a connection

1054
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,680
there

1055
00:40:26,569 --> 00:40:24,720
and he said I was telepathically in

1056
00:40:29,450 --> 00:40:26,579
communication with the Bigfoot

1057
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:29,460
what and after researching Bigfoot I'm

1058
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,839
like there's a lot of cases where people

1059
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:32,160
claim that

1060
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:34,500
and there is a paranormal aspect to it

1061
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,900
but now these things leave Footprints

1062
00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:43,190
it's clear that they are I think they

1063
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:44,579
are flesh and blood but that doesn't

1064
00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:47,160
necessarily preclude them from having

1065
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,099
you know what we would call supernatural

1066
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:53,040
abilities yeah I did interview one guy

1067
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:55,619
who said he saw one appear in front of

1068
00:41:01,490 --> 00:40:58,260
him and then disappear and not by moving

1069
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:01,500
away but turning visible and well

1070
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:03,240
telepathically told them that they have

1071
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:04,920
this ability

1072
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:06,900
and I thought oh she's the Scott you

1073
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:09,900
know this is hmm really he's like no

1074
00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:11,820
seriously this is what happened to me

1075
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:14,700
like okay and I was really starting to

1076
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,520
dig into all the books on this phenomena

1077
00:41:20,569 --> 00:41:19,440
there does seem to be two schools of

1078
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,579
thought

1079
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:22,920
and wouldn't surprise me a bit if you

1080
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,500
know but there are different types as we

1081
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:27,599
see that you know with the really tall

1082
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:30,540
Sasquatch up in Northern California and

1083
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:33,599
the skunk Cape of Florida and yeah

1084
00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:35,400
they're called different things in every

1085
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:39,320
culture yowie's in Australia and Yeti

1086
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:41,780
vomitable snowman

1087
00:41:48,290 --> 00:41:44,640
yeah there's a lot of stuff that we're

1088
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:48,300
it's just not reaching mainstream yeah

1089
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,060
you know scientific study I spoke to a

1090
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:53,040
native Elder once I used to sell cars

1091
00:41:56,450 --> 00:41:54,599
for this company that would do sort of

1092
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:56,460
like big tent sales they would go to a

1093
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:58,920
town and there'd be like 400 cars at a

1094
00:42:03,530 --> 00:42:00,839
big mall or something like that and it

1095
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:03,540
was a Northern British Columbia Canada

1096
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:05,940
um and it was a native family that was

1097
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,220
they were the royalty of their tribe and

1098
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,599
like where they came from there was no

1099
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,240
roads that's how deep they had come and

1100
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:13,680
they were in like proper dress and

1101
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:15,000
everything else really interesting

1102
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:17,160
people and I was chatting with the older

1103
00:42:20,329 --> 00:42:18,480
man the Elder because it was his

1104
00:42:22,130 --> 00:42:20,339
granddaughter who bought the car so I

1105
00:42:24,650 --> 00:42:22,140
was chatting with them and I said hey

1106
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,660
like you're way in the woods like you

1107
00:42:28,849 --> 00:42:26,880
ever see Bigfoot and I just thought I'd

1108
00:42:31,069 --> 00:42:28,859
throw it out there and he goes I never

1109
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:31,079
saw one but you can spell them and we

1110
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:32,820
see their hair stuck on the trees

1111
00:42:37,490 --> 00:42:35,280
sometimes and I'm just like holy [\h__\h]

1112
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:37,500
he's not kidding like I asked it just as

1113
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:39,180
a joke like hey you're in Bigfoot

1114
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:40,980
country he's like yeah we don't see them

1115
00:42:45,170 --> 00:42:43,500
we can smell them so I wholeheartedly

1116
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,180
believe this guy had no reason to lie to

1117
00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:47,280
me he wasn't like an iPhone carrying

1118
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:50,040
individual these people still respected

1119
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,800
a very ancient way of living they hunted

1120
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:54,000
and lived off the land and everything

1121
00:42:59,569 --> 00:42:56,579
else he wouldn't do that just to mess

1122
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:59,579
with me I so from that day on it kind of

1123
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:02,099
changed my belief that yeah they there

1124
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:03,359
is something to it you know they do

1125
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,560
exist

1126
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,480
yeah actually I did have my own

1127
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,640
encounter once

1128
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:11,040
um that same lady Wendy the contactee

1129
00:43:16,010 --> 00:43:13,140
moved out to the edge of the National

1130
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,020
Forest in Acton

1131
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:18,720
and the LA National Forest is fairly

1132
00:43:23,569 --> 00:43:21,000
large and I found out does have a long

1133
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:23,579
history of Bigfoot encounters but she

1134
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:25,380
calls me up one day he's like oh Bigfoot

1135
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:27,660
showed up really

1136
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:29,460
I'm just like honest to God you know

1137
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:31,380
talk to my roommate talk to my son they

1138
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,420
saw it looking in the window

1139
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,119
and I went over there and talked to them

1140
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,160
they were all very sincere there's

1141
00:43:42,050 --> 00:43:40,920
Footprints they weren't super conclusive

1142
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:42,060
or anything but there was something

1143
00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:45,420
there because I went into this tree and

1144
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:47,819
there was a big Branch broken

1145
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:50,460
and uh so she's describing all of this

1146
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:53,339
and she says it's talking to me she says

1147
00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:55,140
I think it likes me they don't kidnap

1148
00:43:59,809 --> 00:43:57,960
anyone ever do they I said oh no that

1149
00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:59,819
that never happens

1150
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:02,099
and uh started doing research and found

1151
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:04,859
out well actually there are you know a

1152
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,280
half dozen cases or more people who have

1153
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:10,740
allegedly been kidnapped by them

1154
00:44:14,450 --> 00:44:12,060
and certainly there's Native American

1155
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,460
stories about that as well yeah so I

1156
00:44:18,109 --> 00:44:15,920
called her up I'm like well

1157
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:18,119
that does happen but I wouldn't worry

1158
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:20,280
about it it's pretty rare you should be

1159
00:44:24,650 --> 00:44:22,380
fine

1160
00:44:26,349 --> 00:44:24,660
but I ended up going up there so I think

1161
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:26,359
I know where this thing is coming from

1162
00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:28,260
she lived right on the edge of the

1163
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,060
forest like well let's go there let's

1164
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:32,400
check this out and we've brought all

1165
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:34,260
kinds of equipment right cameras and

1166
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:35,520
sound equipment

1167
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:37,980
and it was Dusk and we went out there on

1168
00:44:43,609 --> 00:44:40,020
this dirt road out into the forest

1169
00:44:46,309 --> 00:44:43,619
and it was really steep Ravines and very

1170
00:44:47,569 --> 00:44:46,319
harsh terrain just a few miles from our

1171
00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:47,579
house

1172
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:50,280
which was a few miles off the freeway so

1173
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:51,839
it's not like super far into the

1174
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,599
Wilderness but deep enough

1175
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,640
and no sooner had we pulled over you

1176
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,319
know she gets out of the car

1177
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,780
I drove and she's going to the back seat

1178
00:45:04,730 --> 00:45:02,640
to pull out the equipment

1179
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:04,740
when I opened the door and I walk up to

1180
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:06,540
the front of the car she's like it's in

1181
00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:08,819
that regime I'm looking at this Ravine

1182
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,859
which is super Steep and

1183
00:45:15,950 --> 00:45:13,680
could not possibly climb it it's just

1184
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:15,960
super thick with brush right so I walk

1185
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:17,460
up to the edge of it and I'm looking at

1186
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:18,420
it

1187
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:21,540
and suddenly I hear this Roar really

1188
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:22,800
loud

1189
00:45:27,370 --> 00:45:24,660
and I thought what the heck and I look

1190
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:27,380
up thinking is there a plane overhead

1191
00:45:32,809 --> 00:45:30,660
buzzing me of course if there wasn't

1192
00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:32,819
uh but it reminded me of a time I had

1193
00:45:37,550 --> 00:45:35,400
gone to the zoo and had a lion

1194
00:45:39,170 --> 00:45:37,560
yeah it was a lion roar right next to me

1195
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:39,180
I was right next to the lion when it

1196
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:40,140
roared

1197
00:45:44,450 --> 00:45:41,520
and I don't know if you've ever had that

1198
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:44,460
experience but yeah in your chest yes

1199
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:47,160
yeah and that's what it felt like

1200
00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:49,380
and the first time in my oh my God

1201
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,440
because it roared for a good 10 seconds

1202
00:45:58,130 --> 00:45:54,660
which is long

1203
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:58,140
um you don't ex what the heck

1204
00:46:02,329 --> 00:45:59,880
and I'm looking around trying to you

1205
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:02,339
know triangulate it pinpoint it

1206
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:05,280
and she's freaking out she's like

1207
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:09,119
screaming and it Roars again and this

1208
00:46:13,849 --> 00:46:11,400
time I know I can tell because you know

1209
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:13,859
you can sort of see you know what I mean

1210
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:16,380
you can pinpoint the sound this thing

1211
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:18,540
was just a couple hundred yards away I'm

1212
00:46:22,490 --> 00:46:19,800
guessing

1213
00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:22,500
and I'm running towards it he's like

1214
00:46:26,349 --> 00:46:25,380
what are you doing get in the car we're

1215
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:26,359
leaving

1216
00:46:32,990 --> 00:46:30,359
I'm like oh shoot she says it roared

1217
00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:33,000
three times I'm pretty sure it was twice

1218
00:46:36,950 --> 00:46:34,740
uh maybe she's right because it was

1219
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,960
quite surprising but she made me get

1220
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:38,880
back in the car she was absolutely

1221
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:40,500
hysterical

1222
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,260
now we've reluctantly left

1223
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:45,119
but I'm absolutely convinced that wasn't

1224
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:48,300
a bear we had cougar growing up where I

1225
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,040
was in Topanga Canyon

1226
00:46:55,069 --> 00:46:52,800
uh we had a guy who had pet cougars

1227
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:55,079
for the Mercury Lincoln commercials he

1228
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:56,520
kept them in cages and we'd hear them

1229
00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:58,140
roaring all the time I know it wasn't

1230
00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:59,400
that

1231
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:00,900
and I

1232
00:47:05,450 --> 00:47:03,060
I don't know what it was if it wasn't a

1233
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:05,460
Bigfoot I can't say for sure

1234
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:07,140
but I can tell you it wasn't a bear it

1235
00:47:09,710 --> 00:47:08,640
wasn't a lion

1236
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:09,720
wasn't

1237
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:11,460
a cougar

1238
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:13,800
I don't know that's cool

1239
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,420
but uh I wanted to stay there but she

1240
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,050
so you had previous belief that this was

1241
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:23,040
a hot spot with a good chance so you

1242
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:25,140
were already looking for that yeah and I

1243
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:26,520
looked it up and there were actual

1244
00:47:31,250 --> 00:47:28,740
accounts in that area you know

1245
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:31,260
stretching throughout history yeah so it

1246
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:32,819
wasn't just resting on her eyewitness

1247
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:34,140
testimony

1248
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:35,940
and she gave you all kinds of details

1249
00:47:39,950 --> 00:47:37,500
that she couldn't possibly have known

1250
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:39,960
unless she was reading UFO books and I

1251
00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:43,079
searched her house like just you know as

1252
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:45,380
an investigator you do you're very nosy

1253
00:47:52,430 --> 00:47:49,800
and she had not read anything on Bigfoot

1254
00:47:54,170 --> 00:47:52,440
and she was describing how they you know

1255
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:54,180
it's she says it would scream like a

1256
00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:56,579
woman being murdered in the wash

1257
00:48:02,510 --> 00:47:59,700
and uh yeah they do that one time it

1258
00:48:04,010 --> 00:48:02,520
came to put a boulder on top of my roof

1259
00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:04,020
like yeah they're all about rock

1260
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:06,300
throwing and this sort of thing which is

1261
00:48:11,150 --> 00:48:08,460
it took two three guys to go up on her

1262
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,160
roof and pull this Boulder off

1263
00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:13,920
I like the trees upside down they

1264
00:48:18,109 --> 00:48:15,540
haven't been cut down they've been like

1265
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,119
torn out roots are still intact then

1266
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:20,880
flipped or inverted and then slam back

1267
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,460
into the ground upside down with the

1268
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:25,200
roots in the air like the amount of man

1269
00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:27,480
or muscle power you would need to do

1270
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:30,599
that as a biological creature is immense

1271
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:33,720
you can't imagine just imagine the the

1272
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,300
chimpanzee like how strong they are oh

1273
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:38,700
yeah they're smaller than us but they

1274
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:41,400
are freakishly strong yeah so you think

1275
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:42,720
about if you have something that's even

1276
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:44,700
bigger than that like Sasquatch or

1277
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:47,819
Bigfoot the strength of these things

1278
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:51,240
must be immense like they could just

1279
00:48:55,790 --> 00:48:52,920
tear you apart like that if they wanted

1280
00:48:58,370 --> 00:48:55,800
to right like it's yeah that's scary

1281
00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:58,380
it's 100 real people don't believe in it

1282
00:49:02,210 --> 00:49:00,180
they have not done their homework right

1283
00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:02,220
they don't need to be rude but I agree

1284
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,260
the evidence is there for those who are

1285
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:07,680
willing to you know examine it

1286
00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:09,420
I need to explore it more because I've

1287
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:11,099
been on the fence like I said with the

1288
00:49:15,410 --> 00:49:13,500
whole Bigfoot thing but the more I talk

1289
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:15,420
to people the more I'm starting to

1290
00:49:18,730 --> 00:49:16,920
understand that maybe I should look at

1291
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,740
it as well that's another part of

1292
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,119
ufology I guess another Branch off

1293
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:24,240
ufology that we need to explore more as

1294
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:25,200
well

1295
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:27,720
um have you had any cases let's say of

1296
00:49:31,849 --> 00:49:29,940
abductions or close encounters that are

1297
00:49:35,150 --> 00:49:31,859
your favorite

1298
00:49:37,069 --> 00:49:35,160
oh yeah yeah for sure I mean there's a

1299
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:37,079
whole long list of them

1300
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:39,180
um one guy really impressed me Kevin

1301
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:41,880
Cannon he's a Navy medic

1302
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,420
and uh I interviewed him he's approached

1303
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:47,280
me after I'd spoken down in San Diego

1304
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:50,339
and I was talking about praying mantis

1305
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:51,420
CTS

1306
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,960
and you know shown some images he's like

1307
00:49:58,670 --> 00:49:57,119
well I saw one of those and didn't quite

1308
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:58,680
look like that but you were close and

1309
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:01,859
described a very interesting

1310
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:04,560
and Connor which he remembered in waking

1311
00:50:08,990 --> 00:50:07,020
consciousness you know without hypnosis

1312
00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:09,000
which I think does work but I've shied

1313
00:50:12,290 --> 00:50:10,020
away from it just because of the

1314
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,300
controversies surrounding it and false

1315
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,119
memory syndrome and yeah all that

1316
00:50:19,790 --> 00:50:17,520
I I support it I think it's a valid tool

1317
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:19,800
but just in the interests of my own

1318
00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:22,619
research I can tell people absolutely

1319
00:50:28,670 --> 00:50:26,280
100 my cases do not rely on hypnotic

1320
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,680
regression for the most part and his

1321
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:30,720
certainly didn't he described a very

1322
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:32,339
intense encounter where he was taken on

1323
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:33,240
board

1324
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:36,960
and saw three praying mantis et's she

1325
00:50:41,390 --> 00:50:39,420
said we're 15 feet tall

1326
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:41,400
and I'm like wow that's pretty tall

1327
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:44,040
Kevin because most of them I already

1328
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:45,599
were like nine feet tall he's like well

1329
00:50:49,609 --> 00:50:47,460
listen one of them came right up to me

1330
00:50:51,530 --> 00:50:49,619
and grabbed my shoulder I was looking up

1331
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:51,540
at it it was more than twice my height

1332
00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:55,740
I'm six foot two inches almost three

1333
00:51:00,530 --> 00:50:58,740
and this was 15 feet tall I'm telling

1334
00:51:02,030 --> 00:51:00,540
you it was like looking up at a

1335
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:02,040
basketball hoop you know about

1336
00:51:08,530 --> 00:51:05,160
basketball thing is how he described it

1337
00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:08,540
phone white really thin stick like lens

1338
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:11,579
claw like hands eyes the size of

1339
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:14,220
basketballs so I one eyeball was bigger

1340
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:16,020
than his head he said

1341
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,020
that was a long conversation with these

1342
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:21,119
things

1343
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:22,800
scared The Living Daylights out of him

1344
00:51:26,450 --> 00:51:24,180
even though it was

1345
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:26,460
really a benevolent encounter

1346
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:28,260
that's a favorite

1347
00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:30,839
probably my most favorite is the subject

1348
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:33,059
of my latest book which is called

1349
00:51:38,930 --> 00:51:35,640
symmetry A true UFO Adventure

1350
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,940
it's about this uh Lady by the name of

1351
00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:40,319
Dolly saffron

1352
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,380
and uh she contacted me

1353
00:51:47,390 --> 00:51:45,960
uh looking for you know someone to tell

1354
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,400
her story

1355
00:51:50,809 --> 00:51:49,200
and after vetting her and she had

1356
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:50,819
photographs she had corroborating

1357
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:52,380
Witnesses

1358
00:51:57,410 --> 00:51:55,079
medical evidence and she had a lot of

1359
00:51:59,990 --> 00:51:57,420
stuff to back up her story

1360
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,000
and she is what I would call a fully

1361
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:02,400
conscious contact team

1362
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,440
um you may have heard of Jim Sparks

1363
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:07,200
he's pretty well known for not using

1364
00:52:12,349 --> 00:52:09,540
hypnosis to recall his encounters

1365
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,359
and that's true with Dolly too she

1366
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:14,640
describes a lifetime of encounters and

1367
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:17,220
it's easily the most extensive case of

1368
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:19,440
anyone I've ever interviewed or really

1369
00:52:24,410 --> 00:52:21,420
even read about matter

1370
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:24,420
but she described how she was taken up

1371
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:25,859
and are like you know would you like to

1372
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:28,800
work with us Grace right

1373
00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:31,559
and she says yes I would love that and I

1374
00:52:33,890 --> 00:52:32,700
said well what do you want to do you

1375
00:52:36,049 --> 00:52:33,900
know there's all these opportunities

1376
00:52:37,970 --> 00:52:36,059
what do you want to do with your life we

1377
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,980
can assist you with that and this is

1378
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:39,359
something I've you know other people

1379
00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:40,559
have told me

1380
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:42,300
she's like well I'd love to learn how to

1381
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:45,359
fly your craft I said okay

1382
00:52:50,270 --> 00:52:48,540
get in the seat and basically that for

1383
00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:50,280
you know she was 14 years old when she

1384
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:52,859
had this fully waking encounter

1385
00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:54,660
they sat her down and took her off to

1386
00:52:58,609 --> 00:52:56,819
see the planet Saturn

1387
00:53:01,250 --> 00:52:58,619
and when she said that I'm like oh this

1388
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:01,260
is exactly what Jay Gardner a man had

1389
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:02,400
interviewed

1390
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:05,400
just shortly before that described he

1391
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:07,380
was 12 years old when they did that to

1392
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:08,400
him

1393
00:53:15,049 --> 00:53:12,660
and he flew The Craft

1394
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,059
and I've talked to other people who you

1395
00:53:18,589 --> 00:53:16,559
know said that they were taught how to

1396
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:18,599
apply the craft so here's Dolly

1397
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:21,119
describing it in much greater detail did

1398
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:24,059
they use their Consciousness uh Preston

1399
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:27,180
for their uh for flying the craft was it

1400
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:28,980
a Consciousness thing or was there an

1401
00:53:32,210 --> 00:53:30,420
actual mechanical

1402
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,220
aspect to it

1403
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:34,559
uh Consciousness primarily I mean there

1404
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:36,180
was they handed her this little

1405
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:38,280
wand-like device and said this will hook

1406
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:40,260
up to you mentally and

1407
00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:43,200
uh you will be able to use this and uh

1408
00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:44,700
just you know we'll give you the

1409
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,859
coordinates and off they win

1410
00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:48,240
uh

1411
00:53:53,210 --> 00:53:51,480
and this is and I know how this must

1412
00:53:55,309 --> 00:53:53,220
sound to a skeptic like what they took

1413
00:53:58,910 --> 00:53:55,319
you to Saturn again I have another case

1414
00:54:00,589 --> 00:53:58,920
Ray Fowler of Betty Andreas and fame

1415
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:00,599
also had the same darn experience when

1416
00:54:04,849 --> 00:54:03,599
he was a kid Leo sprinkle as well and

1417
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:04,859
others

1418
00:54:08,210 --> 00:54:06,540
and to hear you know other people

1419
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:08,220
telling me yes you know they sat down

1420
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:10,260
and I mentally flew this craft

1421
00:54:15,290 --> 00:54:13,380
and Dolly described it in great detail

1422
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:15,300
being you know having no fear of her

1423
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:17,940
encounters and being fully awake she was

1424
00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:19,680
able to give more information about this

1425
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:22,260
and she says you know that all the craft

1426
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:23,760
are conscious

1427
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:26,099
like what do you mean she says all of

1428
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,700
them they are indwelt by a being that

1429
00:54:33,770 --> 00:54:31,200
flies The Craft

1430
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:33,780
and connects up to it

1431
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:35,339
and uh

1432
00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:36,780
I have to tell you many people have told

1433
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:38,520
me that but couldn't quite figure it out

1434
00:54:42,589 --> 00:54:40,980
like I felt like this thing was alive

1435
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,599
like what do you mean like I don't know

1436
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:45,119
I just felt like it was and Dolly was

1437
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:46,980
able to say oh yeah you know

1438
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,700
there's an entity who dwells it and she

1439
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:53,040
gave all kinds of detail it was you know

1440
00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:55,319
I really focused on that aspect in the

1441
00:54:57,230 --> 00:54:56,339
book because I thought it was so

1442
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:57,240
interesting

1443
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:00,960
well we talked about that uh sorry I

1444
00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:02,220
think your volume is a little too high

1445
00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:03,540
there Preston

1446
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,700
a bit of feedback

1447
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:07,680
all right sorry is that better new mic

1448
00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:10,260
you're still working it out

1449
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:12,660
I can turn it down if you want no the

1450
00:55:19,069 --> 00:55:15,599
mic is perfect the feedback from our

1451
00:55:21,950 --> 00:55:19,079
yeah from us to the mic but uh no we

1452
00:55:25,010 --> 00:55:21,960
were talking about how um even listening

1453
00:55:28,370 --> 00:55:25,020
to uh the Navy or their recent incident

1454
00:55:31,450 --> 00:55:28,380
with like the Tic Tac in 2004 how these

1455
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,460
things fly is

1456
00:55:36,910 --> 00:55:33,839
Consciousness like they're aware like he

1457
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,920
said that uh what was it Captain fravor

1458
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:39,599
David fravor I think

1459
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:41,040
um he mentioned when he was going down

1460
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:43,740
in a loop to approach this thing it

1461
00:55:48,109 --> 00:55:45,660
turned around as if it like consciously

1462
00:55:50,329 --> 00:55:48,119
knew that he was coming down

1463
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:50,339
towards it and then it started circling

1464
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:52,260
around him and they were doing this sort

1465
00:55:56,210 --> 00:55:54,000
of dance in the sky until it took off

1466
00:55:58,790 --> 00:55:56,220
but it takes off at the speed of thought

1467
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,800
that's why they're so freaking fast it's

1468
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:00,240
just a thought I want to be over there

1469
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:02,760
you're there right and that's what's

1470
00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:04,920
amazing about this but we often would

1471
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:06,540
explore that like were these things

1472
00:56:10,370 --> 00:56:09,000
operated consciously and you just

1473
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,380
mentioned that you've had tons of people

1474
00:56:14,809 --> 00:56:12,000
tell you yes these are operated

1475
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:14,819
consciously so Consciousness seems to

1476
00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:17,099
keep reoccurring as a theme

1477
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:19,020
um whenever we interview people they

1478
00:56:23,089 --> 00:56:20,520
keep talking about Consciousness so

1479
00:56:25,849 --> 00:56:23,099
there's validity there to it

1480
00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:25,859
yeah yeah absolutely I think it's really

1481
00:56:28,730 --> 00:56:27,000
interesting because if you look into the

1482
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:28,740
Whistleblower accounts of Crash

1483
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:31,440
retrievals reverse engineering

1484
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,480
and you know supposedly we do have these

1485
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,480
craft secreted places like Area 51 and

1486
00:56:43,569 --> 00:56:38,400
Wright-Patterson

1487
00:56:49,370 --> 00:56:46,010
let's face it there's a lot more out

1488
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:49,380
there than just Roswell yeah but you

1489
00:56:52,430 --> 00:56:50,700
know according to the Iowa eyewitness

1490
00:56:54,290 --> 00:56:52,440
reports The Whistleblower reports

1491
00:56:56,030 --> 00:56:54,300
they've gone inside some of these things

1492
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:56,040
they're like well you know where's the

1493
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:58,619
controls how do they operate I said that

1494
00:57:02,990 --> 00:56:59,640
too

1495
00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:03,000
right no control surfaces just uh all

1496
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,859
smooth looks like one piece like it was

1497
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:07,200
3D printed somehow yeah yeah I

1498
00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:09,660
interviewed a guy in Utah Don Anderson

1499
00:57:15,470 --> 00:57:12,660
is his name he's also woke up to his

1500
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:15,480
experiences and didn't need hypnosis he

1501
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:18,240
tried it but now remembers it

1502
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:19,559
consciously

1503
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:23,460
and uh he saw Bob lazar's drawings

1504
00:57:28,130 --> 00:57:25,920
and he says oh that's exactly the kind

1505
00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:28,140
of crap I was on I know Bob Lazar was

1506
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:30,059
telling you the truth there's no way

1507
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:31,619
you could have made this up because

1508
00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:35,280
that's exactly what I was on board yeah

1509
00:57:39,530 --> 00:57:37,260
and they're strong about those are fans

1510
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:39,540
yeah yeah we believe his story for sure

1511
00:57:43,970 --> 00:57:41,700
maybe he embellished his educational

1512
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:43,980
record for resume purposes I mean I

1513
00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:46,079
think everybody does nowadays or always

1514
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:48,599
has right but I think he knows too much

1515
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:51,660
and the whole element 115 thing how do

1516
00:57:55,549 --> 00:57:53,160
you predict an element that's you know

1517
00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:55,559
20 years away and that the properties

1518
00:58:00,410 --> 00:57:58,260
would suit that type of uh you know a

1519
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,420
nuclear engine sort of thing it I think

1520
00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:02,160
it's just too coincidental he gets a lot

1521
00:58:07,069 --> 00:58:04,440
of heat but uh we're big proponents of

1522
00:58:09,049 --> 00:58:07,079
bubbles are yeah and what he said is

1523
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:09,059
certainly not unique there's a lot of

1524
00:58:12,650 --> 00:58:10,559
whistleblowers saying the same darn

1525
00:58:15,710 --> 00:58:12,660
thing he's not the only guy talking

1526
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:15,720
about you know Area 51 yeah on George

1527
00:58:18,829 --> 00:58:17,640
Knapp and Linda Milton Howe and Bill

1528
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:18,839
Hamilton

1529
00:58:23,470 --> 00:58:21,720
the third and a bunch of researchers

1530
00:58:25,790 --> 00:58:23,480
have first-time reports from people

1531
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:25,800
saying the same darn thing while the

1532
00:58:31,609 --> 00:58:28,920
Czar says uh I I believe he's telling

1533
00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:31,619
the truth as well Dolly saffron says oh

1534
00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:33,480
yeah he's telling the truth he said

1535
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:35,460
things that she knows

1536
00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:37,020
you know in terms of how these crafts

1537
00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:39,180
are flown and the power

1538
00:58:43,849 --> 00:58:40,680
sources

1539
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:43,859
she says oh yeah he's he's legit

1540
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:46,740
and even it was the sports model is what

1541
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:50,160
he describes that uh I think Joe Rogan

1542
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:53,880
has a um a model of it on his desk now I

1543
00:58:56,569 --> 00:58:55,319
think he somebody made it for him or

1544
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,579
whatever so he has it right there

1545
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,040
whenever he watches that program but

1546
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:02,160
yeah no I and the thing is there was no

1547
00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:04,380
operation room or no physical

1548
00:59:09,470 --> 00:59:06,599
examination room in that craft that

1549
00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:09,480
seemed to just be like just a scouting

1550
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,920
thing I think you mentioned there was

1551
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:12,240
just like three seats or something like

1552
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:15,180
that in it but most people when they are

1553
00:59:19,309 --> 00:59:18,119
aboard a craft always describe a medical

1554
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:19,319
room

1555
00:59:24,349 --> 00:59:22,559
which to me means that these crafts

1556
00:59:26,210 --> 00:59:24,359
whatever they are are designed to come

1557
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:26,220
here to do medical procedures because

1558
00:59:30,410 --> 00:59:27,720
why would they build crafts to have

1559
00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:30,420
those rooms in them right and all the

1560
00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:32,280
tools that they use are designed to work

1561
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:34,440
on us by the looks of it right like the

1562
00:59:39,109 --> 00:59:37,020
needles and the uh whatever it is that

1563
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,119
they they do to people even the implants

1564
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:41,760
so their interest is in us and like you

1565
00:59:47,809 --> 00:59:44,880
mentioned they don't show any a threat

1566
00:59:50,089 --> 00:59:47,819
towards us but yet we know that we're of

1567
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:50,099
interest to them and that's a

1568
00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:52,859
fascinating part of this whole thing is

1569
00:59:56,809 --> 00:59:54,839
that you know they're it's not like

1570
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:56,819
investigating ghosts you know because

1571
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,799
ghosts could just be there because of

1572
01:00:02,569 --> 01:00:00,480
they're stuck there in this case it's

1573
01:00:04,490 --> 01:00:02,579
like they're here for a reason

1574
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,500
and that's the part that fascinates me

1575
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:06,240
it's like what's that reason like why is

1576
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:09,359
it us is it us or is it a bigger plan

1577
01:00:13,309 --> 01:00:11,700
out there uh have you come up with any

1578
01:00:16,670 --> 01:00:13,319
theories or anything like that at this

1579
01:00:18,530 --> 01:00:16,680
point being into this for like 35 years

1580
01:00:21,849 --> 01:00:18,540
oh I think we have a pretty good handle

1581
01:00:24,650 --> 01:00:21,859
on their agenda and why they're here

1582
01:00:28,849 --> 01:00:24,660
researchers like Barbara lamb and John

1583
01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:28,859
Mack and Dolores Cannon all these guys

1584
01:00:34,010 --> 01:00:31,680
their research is very much matching up

1585
01:00:35,950 --> 01:00:34,020
with what I found I think it's clear

1586
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:35,960
they are very interested in us

1587
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:38,700
examining us and the hybrid baby

1588
01:00:43,789 --> 01:00:41,280
phenomena is one of their agendas

1589
01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,799
uh people certainly asked about that I

1590
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,540
had to read a lady from

1591
01:00:50,170 --> 01:00:47,520
oh she lived in California and the East

1592
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:50,180
Coast she asked them flat out like why

1593
01:00:56,329 --> 01:00:53,760
why are you taking me I said we are

1594
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,339
using your genetics to reinvigorate ours

1595
01:01:01,549 --> 01:00:58,799
which have become damaged due to space

1596
01:01:05,690 --> 01:01:01,559
travel and radiation exposure and

1597
01:01:07,609 --> 01:01:05,700
inter intervention or manipulation

1598
01:01:10,430 --> 01:01:07,619
they've lost the ability to reproduce

1599
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:10,440
that they are basically reinvigorating

1600
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:12,180
their genetic stock

1601
01:01:15,289 --> 01:01:14,160
she said are you planning on taking over

1602
01:01:18,049 --> 01:01:15,299
our planet

1603
01:01:19,849 --> 01:01:18,059
and they said no no the planet is far

1604
01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:19,859
too crowded there are many Earth-like

1605
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:21,359
planets out there we have zero interest

1606
01:01:27,289 --> 01:01:24,480
and you guys are far too violent

1607
01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:27,299
we have no interest in that

1608
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:29,640
uh but they definitely do seem to be

1609
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:31,740
very genetics

1610
01:01:37,309 --> 01:01:34,020
uh and that sort of thing

1611
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:37,319
I think there's multiple agendas uh they

1612
01:01:44,210 --> 01:01:40,440
are very much interested in

1613
01:01:46,430 --> 01:01:44,220
um I'd say trying to wake people up

1614
01:01:47,930 --> 01:01:46,440
because if anyone gets a message Beyond

1615
01:01:50,809 --> 01:01:47,940
you know don't be afraid we won't hurt

1616
01:01:53,630 --> 01:01:50,819
you it will be a warning

1617
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,640
of some kind usually against nuclear

1618
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:56,160
proliferation or use of nuclear

1619
01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:00,240
materials or are warlike ways greed and

1620
01:02:07,069 --> 01:02:03,960
Corruption or environmental destruction

1621
01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:07,079
one lady I never remain she had a long

1622
01:02:11,569 --> 01:02:09,480
talk with her adult hybrid son said

1623
01:02:15,890 --> 01:02:11,579
we're always watching over you

1624
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:15,900
uh you should know that uh the greed and

1625
01:02:19,370 --> 01:02:17,700
Corruption is choking your society and

1626
01:02:21,530 --> 01:02:19,380
if you continued on that path you're

1627
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:21,540
going to destroy your Society like we

1628
01:02:25,490 --> 01:02:23,160
did our own

1629
01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:25,500
they said we've been uh working with

1630
01:02:29,690 --> 01:02:28,500
humans for Millennia upgrading their

1631
01:02:31,490 --> 01:02:29,700
genetics

1632
01:02:33,970 --> 01:02:31,500
and not only humans but animals

1633
01:02:36,770 --> 01:02:33,980
specifically dogs and cats they told her

1634
01:02:39,230 --> 01:02:36,780
to make them more emotionally compatible

1635
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:39,240
to humans I thought that was really

1636
01:02:43,789 --> 01:02:40,740
interesting because you know everyone

1637
01:02:46,730 --> 01:02:43,799
loves their dogs and cats they are so

1638
01:02:48,049 --> 01:02:46,740
human-like in so many ways they are but

1639
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:48,059
she said

1640
01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:50,460
they told her uh

1641
01:02:55,309 --> 01:02:53,339
Hurricane Katrina was nothing compared

1642
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:55,319
to what's coming which turned out to be

1643
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,400
true

1644
01:02:59,690 --> 01:02:58,319
I told her there's a large earthquake

1645
01:03:01,549 --> 01:02:59,700
Vault running down the center of the

1646
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,559
United States that at one point will

1647
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:03,839
probably be triggered

1648
01:03:07,970 --> 01:03:05,460
they said if people should start

1649
01:03:10,670 --> 01:03:07,980
disappearing from this planet it's being

1650
01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:10,680
done by us for the greater good

1651
01:03:14,510 --> 01:03:12,900
and now we have all these reports of the

1652
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:14,520
missing 4-1-1

1653
01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:17,760
phenomena people just disappearing

1654
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:19,260
so

1655
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:21,960
the these are their agendas you know

1656
01:03:27,289 --> 01:03:25,380
warning us another is to wake us up

1657
01:03:29,630 --> 01:03:27,299
I guess the best way to put it would be

1658
01:03:31,870 --> 01:03:29,640
psychically or spiritually

1659
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:31,880
and almost without exception

1660
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:34,020
contactees people who have regular

1661
01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:37,500
contact are profoundly psychic

1662
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:40,380
and it's not unusual for them to say

1663
01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:42,180
that they have you know healing

1664
01:03:46,849 --> 01:03:44,520
abilities you're doing Hands-On healing

1665
01:03:51,010 --> 01:03:46,859
or mediumship

1666
01:03:53,630 --> 01:03:51,020
or astral travel or precognition or

1667
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,640
levitation even you know Whitley streber

1668
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:55,200
claimed to have levitated and I thought

1669
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:56,640
well that's interesting because so did

1670
01:04:01,250 --> 01:03:58,799
Stephen Greer I'm like wait a second

1671
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:01,260
Jacque Valley had that case same guy who

1672
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,720
was healed had spontaneously levitated

1673
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:06,000
twice along his encounter

1674
01:04:08,809 --> 01:04:07,680
I end up asking Dolly I'm like I don't

1675
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,819
suppose you've ever had a levitation

1676
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:10,799
experience and she kind of looked at me

1677
01:04:14,569 --> 01:04:11,940
and smiled I was like well yeah I wasn't

1678
01:04:17,809 --> 01:04:14,579
going to tell you but yeah I've had that

1679
01:04:20,210 --> 01:04:17,819
happen at least three times like really

1680
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:20,220
tell me about it so I ended up doing a

1681
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:22,079
whole study on that and I fought a bunch

1682
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,380
of you know contactees who reported

1683
01:04:31,309 --> 01:04:27,599
physical levitation

1684
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:31,319
this fits in they are waking people up

1685
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:33,480
to our own I won't even call them

1686
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:35,099
Supernatural or superhuman abilities

1687
01:04:39,770 --> 01:04:36,319
they're natural

1688
01:04:41,210 --> 01:04:39,780
we have these abilities to you know we

1689
01:04:44,270 --> 01:04:41,220
call past lives

1690
01:04:46,730 --> 01:04:44,280
this is a huge part of contact there's a

1691
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:46,740
spiritual aspect that is not talked

1692
01:04:51,049 --> 01:04:49,260
about by the nuts and bolts folks

1693
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,059
I know I talked to a lady who was

1694
01:04:56,450 --> 01:04:53,520
interviewed by Bud Hopkins hypnotized

1695
01:04:57,470 --> 01:04:56,460
and she says that he absolutely did not

1696
01:05:00,230 --> 01:04:57,480
write about

1697
01:05:02,270 --> 01:05:00,240
spiritual aspects of her encounter

1698
01:05:04,130 --> 01:05:02,280
probably because he didn't want you know

1699
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:04,140
it's a lot to swallow

1700
01:05:07,010 --> 01:05:05,640
it's a big pill swallow when you're

1701
01:05:09,109 --> 01:05:07,020
talking about not only being contacted

1702
01:05:10,910 --> 01:05:09,119
by aliens but levitation and going

1703
01:05:13,250 --> 01:05:10,920
through walls and telepathy and

1704
01:05:15,289 --> 01:05:13,260
precognition and healing and channeling

1705
01:05:18,289 --> 01:05:15,299
and psychic reading

1706
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:18,299
ah it opens up

1707
01:05:24,109 --> 01:05:21,960
it opens up a box of possibilities and

1708
01:05:27,650 --> 01:05:24,119
abilities for these people after this

1709
01:05:29,690 --> 01:05:27,660
contact and one could almost ask do you

1710
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,700
think it's because they're open to these

1711
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:31,200
experiences that they're having the

1712
01:05:35,030 --> 01:05:33,359
abduction phenomenon or is the abduction

1713
01:05:36,349 --> 01:05:35,040
phenomenon opening up these different

1714
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:36,359
experiences

1715
01:05:40,609 --> 01:05:38,720
yeah I think it goes both ways right

1716
01:05:43,309 --> 01:05:40,619
absolutely because I know there are

1717
01:05:44,930 --> 01:05:43,319
people who have not you know had a

1718
01:05:46,370 --> 01:05:44,940
lifetime of psychic experiences until

1719
01:05:48,650 --> 01:05:46,380
they had contact

1720
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,660
and other people who are you know do

1721
01:05:52,730 --> 01:05:50,400
have all kinds of stuff going on from

1722
01:05:55,010 --> 01:05:52,740
childhood on and men have contact wait

1723
01:05:57,049 --> 01:05:55,020
so I think it probably goes both ways

1724
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:57,059
but I can tell you with that lady in

1725
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:57,900
Maine

1726
01:06:02,510 --> 01:06:00,240
they told her this is our gift to you

1727
01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:02,520
for what you have given to us

1728
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:05,220
it was another lady from Louisiana they

1729
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,940
said this is our gift to you same words

1730
01:06:12,829 --> 01:06:10,559
and uh

1731
01:06:14,569 --> 01:06:12,839
there was another lady I interviewed uh

1732
01:06:15,890 --> 01:06:14,579
Pat Brown is her name she's a telephone

1733
01:06:18,109 --> 01:06:15,900
operator

1734
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:18,119
she went to see a Channeler in Sedona

1735
01:06:21,950 --> 01:06:20,280
one day her friend's like let's go see

1736
01:06:24,589 --> 01:06:21,960
the channelers and she had no one Chris

1737
01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:24,599
and her friend just begged him back

1738
01:06:28,670 --> 01:06:26,700
so they go to see this Channel and the

1739
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:28,680
channel is like I'm

1740
01:06:33,289 --> 01:06:30,960
this guy from a planet Crouton or

1741
01:06:35,930 --> 01:06:33,299
whatever yeah I like that she's like

1742
01:06:38,089 --> 01:06:35,940
you're an alien huh and uh

1743
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,099
she uh

1744
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:41,039
described going to see this Channeler

1745
01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:43,980
and uh this challenge that I am you know

1746
01:06:47,870 --> 01:06:46,140
gray and from

1747
01:06:49,309 --> 01:06:47,880
and she's like I'd like to see your

1748
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:49,319
ships

1749
01:06:54,049 --> 01:06:51,539
and uh they said okay we will arrange it

1750
01:06:57,710 --> 01:06:54,059
and she started having

1751
01:06:59,150 --> 01:06:57,720
uh visitations

1752
01:07:01,370 --> 01:06:59,160
and uh

1753
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:01,380
it was very scary for her she did not

1754
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:04,079
like it at all it was terrifying right

1755
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:05,640
and just got to the point where she

1756
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:07,319
could not take the fear anymore she's

1757
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:09,180
just living her life in just absolute

1758
01:07:12,049 --> 01:07:10,500
Terror she's like that's it I'm not

1759
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,059
dealing with this anymore if you're if

1760
01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:14,160
I'm truly being abducted take me on

1761
01:07:18,049 --> 01:07:15,780
board right now

1762
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,059
it was after an evening of contact right

1763
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:20,640
boom they pulled her on board

1764
01:07:25,549 --> 01:07:23,520
and they took her to her quarters

1765
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:25,559
I'm like whoa your quarters I'd had a

1766
01:07:28,730 --> 01:07:27,359
few people tell me that Dolly talked

1767
01:07:30,170 --> 01:07:28,740
about that she's like oh yeah I have

1768
01:07:33,470 --> 01:07:30,180
this little room they take me to there's

1769
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:33,480
my bed there's no she's hot there's my

1770
01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:34,799
hairbrush I was wondering where that

1771
01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:36,420
airbrush was

1772
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:38,760
that's cool yeah this is what Pat Brown

1773
01:07:42,109 --> 01:07:40,500
described it was a very spiritual

1774
01:07:44,450 --> 01:07:42,119
experience for her they took her out of

1775
01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:44,460
her body this is your mask inside this

1776
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,680
is your feminine side did you see that

1777
01:07:50,930 --> 01:07:48,720
dark ring surrounding your planet

1778
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:50,940
those are negative thought points from

1779
01:07:55,549 --> 01:07:53,520
all the fear you guys are putting out

1780
01:07:58,730 --> 01:07:55,559
and it was a long-involved experience

1781
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,740
but uh long story short she ended up

1782
01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:01,200
quitting her job and becoming a massage

1783
01:08:05,329 --> 01:08:03,720
therapist and healing people

1784
01:08:06,770 --> 01:08:05,339
she's got all these testimonials of

1785
01:08:08,210 --> 01:08:06,780
people she's healed

1786
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:08,220
because the president's the weirdest

1787
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:11,039
thing when I'm there doing my healing

1788
01:08:13,670 --> 01:08:12,240
work

1789
01:08:15,410 --> 01:08:13,680
um blue light comes out of my hands and

1790
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,420
I can see the Grays in my mind's eye

1791
01:08:19,789 --> 01:08:17,520
working on their little knobs and panels

1792
01:08:21,650 --> 01:08:19,799
to facilitate the healing

1793
01:08:24,829 --> 01:08:21,660
I don't know

1794
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,839
so I and her case is not unique another

1795
01:08:29,329 --> 01:08:26,880
lady told me the same thing so I'm like

1796
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:29,339
can I get a healing I'd like to try that

1797
01:08:33,530 --> 01:08:31,679
she said sure and she was doing that

1798
01:08:35,689 --> 01:08:33,540
healing healing I kept seeing these

1799
01:08:38,269 --> 01:08:35,699
pastel lights coming out of her hands

1800
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:38,279
I'm thinking you know what's going on

1801
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:40,799
when I told her I'm like I swear I see

1802
01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:43,199
this you know pastel green light coming

1803
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:45,060
out of her hands and she smiled oh you

1804
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,480
see it some people can some people can't

1805
01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:50,880
and another lady she you know because

1806
01:08:54,769 --> 01:08:52,140
when they if they claim his abilities

1807
01:08:57,530 --> 01:08:54,779
I'm like let's do it I want to try it

1808
01:08:59,689 --> 01:08:57,540
she was able to run energy through my

1809
01:09:01,849 --> 01:08:59,699
legs and it felt like honest to God

1810
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:01,859
electricity going right up through my

1811
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:04,259
body made my whole body up and go oh I

1812
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:07,500
feel that that is amazing I mean I could

1813
01:09:12,349 --> 01:09:09,299
physically feel the energy coming out of

1814
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:12,359
her hands right I wouldn't say I'm a

1815
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:14,160
super sensitive guy to that sort of

1816
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:17,580
thing but I felt that for sure

1817
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:19,980
and who knows what possibilities the

1818
01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:22,380
human mind the human body is capable of

1819
01:09:27,530 --> 01:09:24,719
and we're still discovering that I mean

1820
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:27,540
some people to have the the more of a

1821
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:28,799
religious

1822
01:09:32,209 --> 01:09:30,900
um inclination they're able to do some

1823
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:32,219
stuff sometimes in the name of the

1824
01:09:36,110 --> 01:09:34,259
religion that is amazing I think it's

1825
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,120
just because of the meditation and the

1826
01:09:40,729 --> 01:09:38,400
practice that they put into it when I

1827
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:40,739
see the monks do their fighting stuff or

1828
01:09:46,669 --> 01:09:43,199
being able to stand on what looks like a

1829
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,679
pencil you know for hours on on end you

1830
01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:48,719
know and just seem content that is

1831
01:09:53,450 --> 01:09:50,940
amazing like that's just the

1832
01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:53,460
our species is capable of amazing things

1833
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,620
but like you mentioned there's a lot of

1834
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,600
negative energy out there there's you

1835
01:10:01,970 --> 01:10:00,000
know between kovid the political pull

1836
01:10:03,709 --> 01:10:01,980
right now in the states and what's

1837
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:03,719
happening in Ukraine and Russia I mean

1838
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:06,239
it's it's let's just face it 2022 hasn't

1839
01:10:11,630 --> 01:10:09,360
been that great but yeah I'm starting to

1840
01:10:13,610 --> 01:10:11,640
believe a lot more into

1841
01:10:16,430 --> 01:10:13,620
um you know the possibilities of the

1842
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,440
human mind the human body and all that

1843
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:18,239
jazz that comes with it Louie do you

1844
01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:19,679
have any final questions to ask our

1845
01:10:23,630 --> 01:10:21,480
guest today no I just want to extend a

1846
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:23,640
really warm welcome uh and thanks to

1847
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,080
Preston Dennett for being on our show

1848
01:10:29,090 --> 01:10:27,360
it's super cool to talk about these

1849
01:10:31,250 --> 01:10:29,100
topics with you and you need somebody

1850
01:10:34,130 --> 01:10:31,260
who's equally open-minded to sort of

1851
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:34,140
toss these things around you know if you

1852
01:10:37,310 --> 01:10:35,820
have it like you said if people are

1853
01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:37,320
Skeptics and say no there's no such

1854
01:10:40,850 --> 01:10:39,179
there's no such thing don't talk to me

1855
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:40,860
about it that's all you're gonna see

1856
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:43,800
right so uh it's it's amazing to have a

1857
01:10:48,770 --> 01:10:46,560
like-minded people on our show and to um

1858
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:48,780
you know have an educated discussion

1859
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,360
about something nobody fully knows about

1860
01:10:55,310 --> 01:10:53,520
and that's a difficult thing you

1861
01:10:57,410 --> 01:10:55,320
mentioned the spiritual aspect you know

1862
01:10:59,090 --> 01:10:57,420
they say never discuss religion in

1863
01:11:01,370 --> 01:10:59,100
politics with your friends well

1864
01:11:04,370 --> 01:11:01,380
everything we discuss dives into both of

1865
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:04,380
those Realms somehow so it's tough to

1866
01:11:09,709 --> 01:11:06,600
ride that line and stay open-minded but

1867
01:11:11,390 --> 01:11:09,719
you've done that for 35 years and uh you

1868
01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:11,400
know you're welcome

1869
01:11:15,709 --> 01:11:13,800
um a really strong mind to the field and

1870
01:11:17,149 --> 01:11:15,719
we need people like you to keep going so

1871
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:17,159
keep doing what you're doing we

1872
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:19,260
appreciate you and we'd love to have you

1873
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:22,140
back again sometime absolutely yeah yeah

1874
01:11:26,570 --> 01:11:24,060
that'd be great I'm gonna send you guys

1875
01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:26,580
the book symmetry because I think you

1876
01:11:30,830 --> 01:11:29,640
just yeah let's do it let's do it and if

1877
01:11:33,290 --> 01:11:30,840
you want I can put you in touch with

1878
01:11:36,169 --> 01:11:33,300
Dolly because she does have a lot to say

1879
01:11:38,209 --> 01:11:36,179
about this phenomena absolutely anybody

1880
01:11:40,430 --> 01:11:38,219
who's legitimate we would love to have a

1881
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:40,440
chat with and uh further everybody's

1882
01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:42,000
knowledge on what is potentially

1883
01:11:46,970 --> 01:11:45,900
possible so thank you yeah yeah thanks

1884
01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:46,980
for having me on the show I really

1885
01:11:50,030 --> 01:11:48,420
appreciate it I think this is an

1886
01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:50,040
important subject I know people are

1887
01:11:54,290 --> 01:11:52,380
skeptical the they'll find out soon

1888
01:11:57,050 --> 01:11:54,300
enough because it's real that's true

1889
01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:57,060
that's true yeah Preston Dennett thank

1890
01:12:05,990 --> 01:11:58,980
you so much for being our guest today